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GuyWhoLovesHisWife Newbie

Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Posts: 2
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: What To Do If Your Wife Is Having An Affair But Lies Through |
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Well, the title says it all. I dont know what to do at this point.
I have stumbled accross evidence that my wife is having an affair and I dont know what to do. We have had counceling and she has lied to my pastors face and even made him believe.
She is determined to continue doing it and lying to me, and every word out of her mouth is a lie.
I love her so much, but she wont confess and get past it, she wants to lie through it and convince me that it's all a trust issue.
But I have proof that she doesnt know about. And I don't know whether to give her an ultimatum, or leave her or what.
She is wrapped up this other fantasy life that she has created.
Theres kids involved also, which may be why she still lies, because she doesnt want to loose them. |
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km Full Member

Joined: 21 Dec 2007 Posts: 258 Location: Midwest USA
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: |
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If you are certain of this evidence that she is cheating, I think that you need to confront her. Tell her you know (without revealing all or exactly what/how you know). And make it clear that the cheating has to end and that long term heavy counseling will be required to keep the marriage intact.
If you aren't bullet proof on your evidence (or don't have enough), you sould go about collecting more until you are bullet proof and fairly fully informed.
Upon being confronted, she will very likely lie (that is the normal reaction), and anything that she is forced to acknowledge will likely be spun so as to minimze it. Getting the whole story may take many months even after she is forced to admit to something. |
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SAM Veteran

Joined: 03 Mar 2001 Posts: 2162 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: |
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Welcome. You will find a wonderful group of people here at GT community who will lift you and your marriage up in prayer. Many have walked your journey.
Sadly, sometimes we can become so caught up in living the lie, that we twist it into the truth and reality. Your wife has so lost her love for God that she no longer knows the difference.
If you have definitive proof of the affair, then it's important for you to confront her with it. She may continue to deny - so make sure it is not your suspicions getting the best of you.
If you ask her to leave, are you prepared to issue this ultimatium? Are you ready to trust God with the outcome? Are you willing to wait on God and not move forward with divorce?
Many times wandering spouses do come back, knowing that they are losing everything. It will take a great amount of work to restore you marriage and trust in her. There are many people here on the boards, who are standing strong for their marriages in the midst of betrayal. Not easy - but very God honoring.
There is a wonderful book by Dr. James Dobson called Love Must Be Tough that may help guide you. Also, Power of A Praying Husband by Stormie O'Martian and anything written by William Harley Jr - Love Busters and His Needs/Her Needs.
I would encourage you to continue with counseling for yourself. You can work on you and growing closer to God through this process. You will be come a stronger man and husband. |
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GuyWhoLovesHisWife Newbie

Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Posts: 2
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Thankyou guys for your posts so far.
I don't think that I want to ask her to leave, but I may want to give an ultimatum, make a choice so to speak, either that life, or your marriage and familly.
But if she has lied so heavilly and steadfastly, do you think that it would be beneficial to catch her with that person? Maby get camera footage of them together or somthing for court, just incase she decides to leave and I am faced with fighting for my kids?
I wont say too much about it, but those people she's mixed up with are bad news, and I wouldnt want my kids around that. And with God's help I would fight for that to my last breath.
What if I had the power to expose and shame the other person involved? Would that be a bad/ good idea? Or both or them.
And finally, if she does leave, she will want her kids. And what can I do to stop her taking them? Do I let it happen then fight it out in court? Or what.
Any help appreciated.
I know I can forgive her if she repents, and she knows too, but she wont come clean. She's caught up in lust, and maby even thinks this person loves her. But I know that person has multiple partners.
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Elligirl Full Member

Joined: 28 Dec 2007 Posts: 151
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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I found my husband in bed with the ow. They were not at that very time in the middle of anything but neither had clothes on and my husband was out. They had been drinking.
Please know that this is an attack from satan. Yes your wife had a choice, just as my husband did no one forced either of them.
My husband came and ask me to divorce him. I had the grounds of adultry, in our state with those grounds all you have to wait for is a court date. He was also sick and needed medical help that he could not get because together we made to much money. He told me it was all that would save his life. And that turned out to be true, I don't really think he thought he was telling the truth at the time but it was true. All he wanted was his freedom so he could be with the ow.
Trust me on this your wife is not in love with this other person. Love is not an emotion it is a comittment. satan has her blinded.
Yes I an divorced but have been standing for my marriage for a year. It was not a decision that I made, God called me to stand. It is not easy but it is possible.
My advise is to pray, God will show you what he would have you do.
This is my wedding aniversary, it is also the day I found out about the ow. |
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SAM Veteran

Joined: 03 Mar 2001 Posts: 2162 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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You mentioned in your first post that you have evidence. If it is solid concrete evidence, then maybe it is best to leave it at that.
| Quote: | | But if she has lied so heavilly and steadfastly, do you think that it would be beneficial to catch her with that person? Maby get camera footage of them together or somthing for court, just incase she decides to leave and I am faced with fighting for my kids? |
The best thing to do would be to meet with a Christian attorney for counsel and advice. Maybe there is one at your church that would be willing to help you. Otherwise, I don't believe anyone on the boards can legally advise you on that will hold up in court.
| Quote: | | What if I had the power to expose and shame the other person involved? Would that be a bad/ good idea? Or both or them. |
This is pure and simple revenge. The power over this situation does not belong in your hands. It has to be put into the hands of God.
| Quote: | | And finally, if she does leave, she will want her kids. And what can I do to stop her taking them? Do I let it happen then fight it out in court? Or what. |
Again, the best advice you can get is through the counsel and wisdom of an attorney. He/she will help you get your ducks in a row. |
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montanna Full Member

Joined: 11 Aug 2008 Posts: 100 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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To Guy Who Loves his Wife,
I am new here as well... And have found amazing words from the christians on here.
I found out 10 months ago, it has been a hard hard battle. Luckily my husband is repentant and very sorry, came back to Christ throught this. I am having trouble with forgiveness...
Please, please take it from me.... The getting back at them exposing them will only tear you apart.. not them or the other man. And even though she is lying to you, what she has is NOT real with the other man... it just isn't and through some great counsling she will figure this out. Also, the searching, searching obsessing will kill your spirit.
You have the proof, God has given you the feeling.. it's all you need. Please spare your self the energy on that and start healing your self and kids. They feel this, even if they are small they do.
Any ways just my personal opinion.. I pray that you find peace for you and your family and that God takes you through this every step of the way! It can be done...
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charity1 Full Member

Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 231
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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Sam, or anyone else who can shed some light on this, I am struggling with the following verses as well as all the verses that refer to the "one flesh":
| Quote: | | I Cor. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh."[a] 17But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit. | I know these verses are stressing how important it is to be faithful to God/Christ, but I am still struggling with the fact that my husband became one flesh with another woman. Will my husband always be connected with her in some way emotionally because of their union? I have never been with anyone but my husband, so I have no idea how being involved physically with someone other than a spouse affects a person's mind. Any insight on this? I know the devil is using these verses to make me insecure, but unfortunately it is working. I would appreciate any help anyone can give me on this. Thanks. |
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km Full Member

Joined: 21 Dec 2007 Posts: 258 Location: Midwest USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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There is likely to be some ongoing psychological effects from any sexual liason. It is pretty common, if not the norm, these days for people to have prior sexual experience with someone else before he/she marries his/her spouse. There have always been some percentage of people who have extramarital affairs.
There are lasting memories from these prior/extramarital relationships that affect/color what happens thereafter in the marriage. It doesn't mean the marriage is doomed by any means, but it is a prior fact that can't be undone. |
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SAM Veteran

Joined: 03 Mar 2001 Posts: 2162 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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I find commentaries (online) extremely helpful in understanding the full context of the verses. Reading through this, I don't know how much it will help you, but thought I would pass it along.
If you are having a "sticky" point on the issue of one flesh in your healing process, is this something you have brought up with a counselor?
Commentary on 1 Corinthians 6:12-20
Some among the Corinthians seem to have been ready to say, All things are lawful for me. This dangerous conceit St. Paul opposes. There is a liberty wherewith Christ has made us free, in which we must stand fast. But surely a Christian would never put himself into the power of any bodily appetite. The body is for the Lord; is to be an instrument of righteousness to holiness, therefore is never to be made an instrument of sin. It is an honour to the body, that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead; and it will be an honour to our bodies, that they will be raised. The hope of a resurrection to glory, should keep Christians from dishonouring their bodies by fleshly lusts. And if the soul be united to Christ by faith, the whole man is become a member of his spiritual body. Other vices may be conquered in fight; that here cautioned against, only by flight. And vast multitudes are cut off by this vice in its various forms and consequences. Its effects fall not only directly upon the body, but often upon the mind. Our bodies have been redeemed from deserved condemnation and hopeless slavery by the atoning sacrifice of Christ. We are to be clean, as vessels fitted for our Master's use. Being united to Christ as one spirit, and bought with a price of unspeakable value, the believer should consider himself as wholly the Lord's, by the strongest ties. May we make it our business, to the latest day and hour of our lives, to glorify God with our bodies, and with our spirits which are his. |
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FaithHopeJoy Full Member

Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 114
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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You asked for our thoughts. | Quote: | | I am still struggling with the fact that my husband became one flesh with another woman. Will my husband always be connected with her in some way emotionally because of their union? |
I pray that you can take comfort from the interpretation that temporarily 'becoming one flesh' through adultery or promiscuity is NOT the same as the spiritual intimacy and emotional closeness that can/should exist between spouses. However, I empathise with what is troubling you. I have a daily battle to dispel thoughts of my H's emotional closeness to the OW during their affair (which was at its height for two years but developed from a friendship stretching back over a decade). As SAM has wisely suggested on a number of occasions, the only way to address this is to KEEP asking God to take away these fears - again and again - as many times as it takes.
Even if there has been emotional closeness, as you say, this doesn't mean that our spouses will always be connected to the OWs. Far from it. It's just that satan wants us to believe this to be the case. Your stand for your marriage is inspirational - and I am standing beside you, sister, in a virtual sense.
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charity1 Full Member

Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 231
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the responses. FHJ wrote: | Quote: | | I pray that you can take comfort from the interpretation that temporarily 'becoming one flesh' through adultery or promiscuity is NOT the same as the spiritual intimacy and emotional closeness that can/should exist between spouses. | I guess that is what I needed to hear. My husband has assured me that he never even thinks about the physical part of that relationship. He said I can call it a blessing or whatever, but his mind just doesn't go there. It's just so hard for me to believe that, but then again it's hard for me to believe any of this happened in the first place, so what do I know? I do know all things are possible with God, and since my husband has made his heart right with God, I shouldn't question what he is telling me. I just fear that sometimes he just tells me what he thinks I want to hear. (There is that word "fear" again.) | Quote: | | Even if there has been emotional closeness, as you say, this doesn't mean that our spouses will always be connected to the OWs. Far from it. It's just that satan wants us to believe this to be the case. | There is no doubt satan wants us to believe that. I know he is playing in my head again, and I hate that I let him, but that is why I came here. I needed somebody to help me get rid of him! He just keeps planting fears. You get rid of one, and he's right back with another one. I do my best to turn them over to God, but I really wanted to see what other Christians' concept of "becoming one flesh" was.
Thanks for your encouragement, FHJ, your stand for your marriage is inspirational too. I appreciate you. |
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j3anjean Full Member

Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Posts: 166 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Charity, Satan can be so very strong. When someone is under the influence of drugs or alcohol- their whole personality changes. Satan takes that personality and perverts it, manipulates it. When someone is in an illicit affair, Satan takes what God has created and perverts and twists it. An affair is not even onthe same page as what God intended as "one flesh".
I have the same fears and doubts as you have expressed here. I don't know how my husband can set it aside. I don't know how God can blur that memory now that my husband has righted himself with God. I know that is not my husband's doing. It is all God and I'm not going to question it.
I'm praying for you. |
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