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Joined: 03 Mar 2001 Posts: 1950 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2002 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | "I feel that you need to be warned, or forearmed, about something. Satan is happy just to keep us "in a state of Non-Resistance". Should we begin doing something, that disturbs that "status quo", say by acting on your faith and winning a victory over his influence, you will most likely get his attention to the extent that he will come against you in some way to attempt to negate that victory. If you are too strong, then he may come at you through someone close to you. Therefore... While you are celebrating your victory, keep your sword and your shield, at the ready, and be on guard! - Tim Greenwood |
Dave,
This struck so close to home when I read it and shared this quote with my husband. We are in a ministry where we have the opportunity to share Christ with many "to be marrieds". Over the last three years God has brought over 40 people to us who have prayed to give their lives to Him. We have seen first hand "spiritual warfare" in our family. Not with my marriage, because that is so strong Satan cannot shake it.
Where he came back with a vengeance is through our children.
We became grandparents in February to a beautiful little boy - a gift from God, but our daughter is not married. She found a godly man, but they messed up.
Luckily, the kids are getting married in June. Our other daughter has struggled also in so many ways because of the effect this has had on our family.
We have kept our swords sharpened, but we have realized our shields have not always been up. Pray, pray, pray has become our cry and being so specific with God in prayer, that he as well as Satan knows that we stand firmer now in our faith than ever before. Prayer for our children has now become our focus. It was always there before, but we need to protect them even more. |
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Davep Veteran

Joined: 02 Apr 2002 Posts: 463
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2002 10:33 am Post subject: |
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While satan is out there to trip us up. In my opinion it doesn't take much to trip us up. In a lot of ways we do it to ourselves.
I'm in a men's group and since we started, out of 15 guys 6 guys have or had loss their jobs. And those who haven't, are talking about the possiblity of it.
Is satan responsible for us losing our jobs? I don't think so, but what he is good at is using our low times to inject fear and doubt, in order to shake our faith.
I hear so much credit given to satan, which takes away the responsiblity away from the Christian.
I feel bless by the Lord, as I had a miracle happen in my life, which I feel the Holy Spirit reminds me of when doubts pop up. That plus prayer keeps my feet well grounded to the rock. |
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SAM Veteran

Joined: 03 Mar 2001 Posts: 1950 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2002 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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You are so right about Satan shaking our faith. It usually doesn't take much.
Being stronger in where we chose to focus (Christ) helps us be diligent against doubt and fear. We often ask our entire ministry team to pray for us, as well as our small group to encircle us with prayer. Our strength alone is not always enough, but with all those we love on our side we feel like mighty warriors.
Amazing how many men in your group have lost jobs. That is at the core of so much for a man. Thank God they have the group to pray for them and build them up. |
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Davep Veteran

Joined: 02 Apr 2002 Posts: 463
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2002 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | That(a job) is at the core of so much for a man |
We had this discussion several time in my group. So much of a man's pride and sense of security and who he is is wrapped up in his job. A job is nothing more than shifting sand.
I lost my job recently, and when I left and saw all my sad friend's faces, I said " I have such a strong faith in God, I will find a new one".
Also guys tend to use their job title, position, type of work etc. as a way to puffing themselves for their own artifical look at themselves, while others use it as a judgement of a man's worth.
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Joined: 03 Mar 2001 Posts: 1950 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2002 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Women can do the same thing. I recently had the same discussion with my husband about how people perceive us by what we do (jobs).
Have you found new employment? Can we pray for a specific type of job? |
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webacus Veteran

Joined: 02 Mar 2001 Posts: 608 Location: Behind you.
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2002 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Dave... are you currently looking for a job?
What type of position?
| Quote: | | Also guys tend to use their job title, position, type of work etc. as a way to puffing themselves for their own artificial look at themselves, while others use it as a judgment of a man's worth. |
I can relate; fortunately, I'm past that. Career to me means two things:
1] A means of support -- need that paycheck!
2] A means of outreach -- marketplace evangelism.
I am in a respectable, well paid position, but to me, it’s just a necessary evil. Ministry is far more important.
I’ve had a few bouts with unemployment. Years ago the pink slip produced panic, stress, uncertainty... These days, I certainly don’t welcome unemployment, but I know this:
1] God will take care of me, whatever the outcome.
2] Unemployment is a growth experience. I'll come out of it stronger.
Hang in there. |
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Joined: 02 Apr 2002 Posts: 463
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 7:36 am Post subject: |
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I'm a CPA, and work as a Controller. Worked for a manufactering company which is slowly moving production to China. Also other functions which had reported to me, had moved to the Corporate offices as well. I knew that my future days were numbered, just not as short as it turn out.
It will take time to find another job, but not long to get one, once one opens. I already had one interview/offer but turn it down because it had 3-year life span written all over it. Again another manufactering company which I could see the same sort of thing happen again.
But the Lord provided/prepared, [1] severance [2] vacation [3] 2001 Bonus [4] Tax Refund [5] Wisdom to stretch these like the 2 fish and the 5 loaves.
My house is paid off, and I have very little debt. While I wait, and read the bible and biblical accounts, also I can collect unemployment, and may possible work as a substitute teacher.
I'm extremely positive of the future, as I will find a new job, and will be working someplace, rather than worrying about a company which you know everyone will be experiencing a slow death as the company winds down.
I do get down from time to time, and prayer helps alot. It's keeping busy that is frustrating. Also because my job is not who I am, any more, I don't have an ego problem with not having a job, and with faith I have no fear.
And with the Lord, material needs are not factor in my life. |
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 9:00 am Post subject: |
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What a wonderful attitude you have! It appears God has had his hand all over this experience for you and has prepared for you financially more than you ever imagined.
I found that once I got over the shock, ( I never knew my layoff was coming several years ago) that I knew I could trust Him for something new. He found a job for me 6 days before my unemployment ran out. |
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I feel blessed by the Lord, as I had a miracle happen in my life, which I feel the Holy Spirit reminds me of when doubts pop up. That plus prayer keeps my feet well grounded to the rock. |
Dave, can you elaborate? |
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Davep Veteran

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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 11:34 am Post subject: |
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First this will seem like a sad story, but it shows that the power of real faith built over a long period of time can hold anything together.
My first wife passed away in an auto accident, some 15 years ago, and we had a 3 months old daughter when she left to see the Lord. I have since remarried, and my life quickly returned to the high I had with my first wife.
Now for the miracle . .
A few months after my wife death, at work I noticed that my wedding ring was missing one of the diamonds in it. My wedding ring had several small diamonds in a row, ironically this ring is similiar to the one I now wear.
I was heart broken, that my/our wedding ring was destroyed. How was I going to find the missing diamond? Sure like finding a needle in a hay stack, why bother?
I wasn't go to find it, so move on and just have a jeweler replace the lost diamond with a new one, and then I would feel better.
Then one night while in bed reading, I heard a thought voice, look on the side of the bed. Yeah sure it's quiet you're all you're alone, and you imagine things out of hope or what ever. So I quickly glanced over the side of the bed to satisfy the thought, and then went back to reading my book.
Then I hear it again Come on, really look over the side of your bed . So this time I lend out of bed, rubbed the carpet, and what? nothing. So I said, your're acting stupid, just go back to reading.
Then I hear it one more time Get out of the bed, and really serously look. So now I was getting frustrated, so I got out of bed, and crutched down on the carpet, and rubbed my hands on the carpet, separating it and looking in it deep.
And, what did I find? the diamond. After all the time has pass I found the diamond, or better yet someone directed me to it, because I didn't do anything. I took the diamond to the jeweler and had him put it where it belong.
I consider this a gift which protects me against doubts. Not that I don't get tempted by doubts, this is just part of the full armor.
I'm not very spiritual, very practical, I wouldn't believe the story if it hadn't happen to myself. |
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