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freedbyjc Newbie

Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 1
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: Redemptive Theology |
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I am in agreement with rdsmith3.
Divorce is a sin against God and your spouse... John Piper and the elders at his church have a good postion on this issue and a very biblical one.
Additionally if you read Rubel Shelly's DIVORCE AND REMARRIAGE: A REDEMPTIVE THEOLOGY you will come to understand Jesus' intent in his parables on divorce and remarriage.
While Jesus affirms and supports the OT Mosaic laws and its views, he rejects the legalism and pharasaical views of the day and introduces us to the love of the Christ for the weaknesses of the human race. In the NT Jesus is living and talking with us in human form because He knows that we humans cannot live by the Father's rules and need His redemption to have a right relationship with God. Marriage is for heaven but man; it for us frail humans on this earth & will not be a found in heaven.
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softy7 Newbie

Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 16
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| To repent of our sins means to admit the sin and then turn away from it. All sins should be repented of if we want to be in right standing with God. When we are living in sin and do not want to stop sinning, we just ask God for forgiveness without the intention of ever ending the sinful act(s). Just because we ask God for forgiveness, does not mean that we have repented. It only means that we are aware of the sinful act. But, to truly repent means to also stop the sin you are asking for forgiveness of. We understand this in most cases, but make excuses for the situations we put ourselves in and are enjoying. |
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charity1 Full Member

Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 157
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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I totally agree, Softy7. I kept trying to think of a situation to compare this to and finally thought of kidnapping. If a person kidnaps a child, then realizes they can't be right with God in this situation, it wouldn't be enough just to tell God they are sorry for the kidnapping, the child would have to be released. Nobody would think that the child should remain with the kidnapper even if the kidnapper and child loved each other and the separation would hurt both of them. The bottom line is, the child doesn't belong to the kidnapper. That is how I see divorce and remarriage without scriptural grounds. If a person has a wife or husband that they had no scriptural right to marry, that spouse doesn't belong to them and must be released, even if people get hurt, otherwise both parties will continue to be adulterers. There is no doubt Jesus loves us and died for our sins, but as Softy7 pointed out, those sins have to be stopped and turned away from in order for us to receive His forgiveness. These are Jesus' words, not Moses':
| Quote: | Matthew 5:32
“But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Mark 10:11 & 12
Mar 10:11 And he said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her,
Mar 10:12 “and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.” |
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charity1 Full Member

Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 157
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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freedbyjc, softy 7, InHim, (if you are still here) and rdsmith3,
Since we had some discussion about whether or not divorce would be appropriate in trying to make our lives right in the case of an unscriptural divorce and remarriage, I thought Ezra 10 was very interesting. Verses 18 through 43 list the names of the people involved, so you might want to jump to verse 44 when you get there for the summation. Just thought it was interesting in light of our conversations. |
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