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How many of you truly believe in the possibility of complete and full healings thru our Lord, Jesus? Do you believe He really healed the blind? Do you believe that can still hapen nowadays? :rolleyes:

I believe Jesus Christ can and did heal people, this is a foundational belief. If you don't believe this, then you may as well throw the Bible in the trash and move on.

Does this mean that some present day human, who makes money at it, claiming to be working for Jesus Christ can heal people? - - NO

MAT 24:24
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time.

Any other takes? I see so many Christians who claim the healings were only old testament stuff. I also know Christians who put limits on healing, such as they believe in remission for some diseases, but not complete healing. Before I post my opinion, I'm interested in hearing what everyone here thinks. Full healings? Partial healings? Only healings thru modern medicine (maybe God works thru doctors now instead of working miracles)? Please share your beliefs. There are scriptural references on this subject that I know of and I would like to share them...If you have an opinion or input, please post.

I can highly recommend Jesus Christ, he does good work. All the medical work he did and was recorded in the Bible was first rate. He specialized in complete healings from what I've been able to read, both physical and spiritual. He's not around much these days any more, But I'm pretty sure you can reach him by prayer.


Oh yeah, if you can't get a hold of him, try his Dad, I hear he is just as good!
:rolleyes:

PS- Don't base your faith in someone's else faith, trust your own. People telling you the boys don't do full healings is their way of having a back door, if their prayers are not answered. If the healing doesn't happen, it just wasn't in the plan, it is that simple. Attempting to explain why it was a full, partial, or non healing or why it didn't make it into God's Script for you, is being presumptuous.

I know "presumptuous" is a big word; it means overstepping due bounds, taking liberties

Dave, what a great sense of humor you have.
I do believe healings still occur. More from the standpoint of prayer than actual individuals saying they have the ability to heal others. Do you think this is a gift God still gives people today?

Sam

That is a tough one. I think too much time has elapsed. In Jesus's time things were fresh, and faith was also fresh. Today we've been given the answers to the test, i.e. the Bible and the success of Christianity through the ages.

If the gift is here with us today, it resides with the believer. There being people with the gift to heal, is too dangerous. All one as to do is watch television. I feel satan has bastardized the use/appearance of God's gifts, also the expectation for miracles is too high.

On the other hand, I feel God has chosen his own secret weapon to physcial heal people, that is his own created science. While it took us thousands of years to uncover the wisdom to explore God's creation, i.e. the human body, it is with present day medicine that I feel he is helping us out a little.

But always saving the really big jobs for him and his son

I believe God does heal. Real, full, miraculous healings. Like Dave said though, too much time has elapsed and things have died down. Not that God is failing, we are. Our faith is low. I am currently reading a book on the man John G. Lake. Anybody hear of him? I just started but apparently this guy was able to fully grasp God's power and use it to heal. Now, I don't believe the person has the ability to heal, I believe it is given thru God to that person b/c of his/her faith. Without God, that person could do nothing.

There are these rooms called "The healing rooms" in D.C. somewhere where Lakes had set up a place for those who were sick to come. This was a century ago, however, these rooms are still being used to perform miraculous healings to this day! There is a spirit there from God that seems to have taken up residence b/c of Lake's ministry so many years ago. A friend told us a story of his friend going there...The people have a prayer blanket put on them and are told to go sit for a while. When they come back, one of the prayer warriors takes the blanket, prays to the Lord, and the Lord tells him/her what the sick person is suffering from, what they need, and how to pray for them! Wow! This is happening! We were given a piece of one of these annointed prayer blankets to put inside our daughters pillow. We are not placing faith in that piece of material alone, we are placing faith in the power of God and believing that we have some of that awesome healing annointing from those "healing rooms" brought to us through that piece of cloth.

I believe God/Jesus does still perform those miracles from the bible, or at least He wants to. We are hindering Him. Our sin and clouded minds are hindering Him. We need to really press in, climb to a higher place, strive to understand God's ways, live pure and Christ-like. John G. Lakes did it, and he saw some of the most wonderful things once he fully grasped what God wanted him to know (and thru it all he never once caught, or spread to his family, any of the highly contagious diseased he was around). Pick up the book, it will make a change in your walk with our Lord...In the meantime, pray! I will be sure to let you know when my daughter's healing arrives! It is coming... :inlove:

YSIC, Kelly.

Kelly

Here is some addition discussion of the matter of faith and healing. The point being God is trying to bring us to a stronger devil resistant faith, through the tools/gifts he has outlined in the Bible. His objective is not to heal, but to bring us closer to him. And, in order for this to happen our faith must grow and become stronger, and yes also be tested, not so much for the sincerity of our faith, but rather the durablity of it.

Durability - able to exist a long time without significant detoriation

Here are some excerpts from a great webpage -Faith and Healing

"When I first attended services in a church that practiced anointing the sick, back in the late 60's, I heard a sermon on the subject of healing and anointing. I sat through this sermon with a migraine headache, one of the many over the previous few months. After services, I thought I would try it out and be anointed. Immediately the migraine went away, and I am happy to say that I have NEVER had another one since. I was healed.

I have been anointed many times since for this and that, (never anything really serious). Sometimes, I was healed, and sometimes I was not. It seemed to me that the more mature I became as a Christian, the less often I was healed."

Note about using faith healing
What you have just been taught, is NOT, just something you use when you get sick. Once you start this, you CANNOT quit. It MUST become a 'Way of Life'! You must get 'in line' with God's word, make changes in your life, and develop a relationship with Him. You see, even the greatest of sinners, can receive the miracle of healing. However, continued 'Divine Health', requires obedience to God's word. In addition, these principals, can and should be applied to EVERY ASPECT of your life!


And yes there is also a warning

WARNING
"I feel that you need to be warned, or forearmed, about something. Satan is happy just to keep us "in a state of Non-Resistance". Should we begin doing something, that disturbs that "status quo", say by acting on your faith and winning a victory over his influence, you will most likely get his attention to the extent that he will come against you in some way to attempt to negate that victory. If you are too strong, then he may come at you through someone close to you. Therefore... While you are celebrating your victory, keep your sword and your shield, at the ready, and be on guard! - Tim Greenwood

I am a little confused here;

"His objective is not to heal, but to bring us closer to him."

What does that mean? I believe His objective is to heal. When we accept Jesus and welcome Him into ourselves, we are inviting Him into our spirit, soul (mind), and body. He fills our spirit with the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us, He fills our soul or mind with Christ-like thoughts and such, and He heals our bodies and makes us whole.

Jesus raised the dead and said, "Greater works than these you will do in my name!"! That means we are given the power to do all that Jesus did and more! Our sickness is healed by His stripes...Healing is part of His portion for us.

"His objective is not to heal your body, but to bring us closer to him."

heal what?

God and satan are fighting for your eternal soul. They're not interested in your body.

If God's objective was to heal bodies then the thousands of handicap and disabled Christians out there would be filling the streets waiting in line for that chance. But if a weak or young soul, is searching for God's light, and God knows that a health body will afford that person the opportunity to come closer and accept him, then healing may be in his plan.

But are there many handicap or disabled Christians? Many do not consider they're situtation a handicap, but a blessing.

I am not sure exactly what you are trying to say here. It sounds to me that you don't have a very strong faith in healing. This is the reason many aren't being healed. So many make the excuse that maybe healing isn't our portion, maybe it's just not in His plan. How sad! It is His plan, it is His promise to us and it is our portion! God would never allow us to suffer as part of His plan. Sometimes, b/c of the ways of this imperfect world we do suffer, sometimes thru our suffering God will use it for His glory by using us to minister to others who are sick and what not. However, we can be healed. No Christian has to suffer. I am not here to judge why this one or that one has not been healed, but I do know that they can be healed. Sometimes sin inhibits the healing, or lack of faith, lack of annointing. If a sick person puts his full faith in the Lord, prays according to God's will (which promises us healing), removes sin from his/her life, and is touched by an annointing of some sort (such as an annointed pastor), I believe there will be healing. Go to www.HealingRooms.com and check out thier testimonies. Sick, lame, dying, blind, hundreds are being healed who couldn't be healed before by any other method.

Sometimes healing is part of His plan regardless of our actions. Other times, for whatever reasons (to learn strength, preserverence, ...) we need to press in for our healing. Jesus is concerned with our healing. A huge part of His ministry was healing. God promises healing to us in His word;

Matt. 8:17 "He Himself took our infirmities, and carried away our diseases."

1 Peter 2:24 "...for by His stripes you were healed."

Luke 10:19 "Behold, I have given you authority...and nothing shall injure you."

Romans 8:11 "But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies thru His Spirit who indwells you."

Mark 16:17-18 "...and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick and they will recover."

James 5:15 "The prayer of faith shall save the sick..."

Mark 11:24 "Therefore, I say to you; 'All things for which you pray and ask, believe that you have received them, and they shall be granted."

John 14:13-14 "And whatever you ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anuthing in my name, I will do it."

There are many Christains who have not been healed, but I do not believe it is b/c it is not in the Plan. They may be being used right now thru their suffering, but they can be healed. All of us can. There has been irrefutable proof of the ability to be healed, even when all else fails and even after years of unanswered prayer. Your healing is out there waiting for you...Dig deep thru prayer, seek wisdom and knowledge. A good place to start would be John G. Lakes' book and/or the website www.healingrooms.com.

You two have brought this topic into a new depth! :p Yes, I believe that healings and miracles still exist! Do you doubt the omnipotence of our Lord? Why is it that you will judge what you think God is capable of? I believe that God can and will choose who and when to heal, and through whom!
However, I do believe that we need to be spiritually decerning about all the gifts, and who they are from. As well as who has the gifts, I have a problem with the $$$ myself. Doesn't it say in the Bible that spiritual gifts will increase as we grow closer to the coming of our lord, Jesus Christ? Growing In Christ as always.

GIC, I didn't understand your question;

" Do you doubt the omnipotence of our Lord? Why is it that you will judge what you think God is capable of?"

I don't doubt, not one bit! ...and you're right, we do need to use discernment as to who, how, and why the healing is coming as satanisaliar can deceive us and if we receive our healing the wrong way, illness will befall us time and time again.

I want to add that sometimes we, Christains, are not receiving a healing b/c of generational curses or curses put upon ourselves by ourselves, and even others. Dabbling in sinful nature opens doors that cause ties, bonds, to dark things. Spoken words can also be damaging and put curses on us. These bonds, these curses, are sometimes what hold us back and we don't even know what they are! We need to watch what we say about others b/c that is one way of cursing ourself. We also need to look into our past and determine where and when and how we may have opened the door to the enemy at some point. We need to come against that, sometimes seek repentance, cast it out. So many are in bondage and don't know why. If you, or somebody you know is not receiving thier portion, speak to a trusted pastor, or seek knowledge on the subject of curses and bondage.

I do not speak these things b/c I think I am any better than the next. My family is itself has been seeking healing for my 4 year old daughter of arthritis and have not yet received healing. We are really pressing in though, seeking knowledge and wisdom and pressing in through prayer like never before. We do believe in her full healing and it will come...God says His people suffer for lack of wisdom, knowledge...there is so much of His power that we do not grasp and take hold of b/c we get lazy or make excuses. No excuses! Jesus didn't take those stripes for just a few! He took them for ALL OF US! ALL OF US CAN be healed through Him. Let's press in, seek, pray, gain wisdom. It's all there for our taking, He gave it to us! I know I'm not stopping until I take advantage of all He promises! Praise God! Thank You Jesus for Your sacrifice, for our salvation! Glory to God! Amen. :inlove:

Kelly

This is a difficult discussion, not because of the subject matter, but because you have so much faith and hope resting on the outcome. But it sounds like your are saying all things are quaranteed, through our Faith in Jesus Christ, rather than all things are possible through our Faith in Jesus Christ. Everything is possible if it comforms to God's plan. When what we want/need matches to God's plan, healing will occur; if it is God's will, healing of someone disease or sickness may not be his will and we must be willing to accept this.

How sad! It is His plan, it is His promise to us and it is our portion!

So if someone has the faith of Job, and the healing does not occur, is it lack of timing? Is a healing promised, mean you just have to wait long enough?

God would never allow us to suffer as part of His plan.

He allowed his only son to suffer on the cross for 3 hours, and what about Job? Suffering is unfortunately apart of this life, this time around.

RO 5:4
Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope.

Job struggled between the experience of suffering and faith in the love and justice of God. God allowed satan to test Job by making him suffer. Job's three friends offered various reasons for his suffering. After God spoke to Job, he realized that he must trust in God's sovereign love in the midst of his troubles.

Rev 21:4
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away

I pray that your outcome is received for our Lord, but if not that your faith will not waver, and that you will never become cold or mad at God.

Job did suffer, but in the end gained oh so much back b/c it was his portion. Jesus did suffer, but rose again only three days later. Suffering is inevitable in this imperfect world, but is also only temporary. God promises healing. I take Him at His word. If I have to suffer in the meantime, so be it. I will learn and pray. I will never give up on all that I know my Lord has promised me and I will expect a healing, I will expect blessings, I will expect to receive all that I ask for (that lines up with God's Word of course). The Word says I can do greater things than even Jesus did, I want that! It is my promise and I will press on to it. I will take God up on every single promise He has made, after all, Jesus suffered for me to have it all and I will take it!