Do you Believe in Magic? - Curses, Evil Spirits, and the rest

Davep · Veteran Joined: 02 Apr 2002 Posts: 463

Kelly has brought to the table a very heavy topic not in the main stream viewer of the majority of Christians, not to mention non-christians

Davep · Veteran Joined: 02 Apr 2002 Posts: 463

webacus · Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:09 pm Post subject:

This is new territory for me also. Whew! ???

SAM · Veteran Joined: 03 Mar 2001 Posts: 2041 Location: Chicago

Ok, you have blown my mind on this. Can't remember the last time I have heard this brought up in conversation. I guess it is something I haven't chosen to deeply investigate or dwell upon. Maybe I need to be enlightened?

"Sins of the Father" - I believe this is something that can be passed from generation to generation. I have heard it called passing a "Broken Baton". It can be a family pattern of abuse, alcoholism, etc. passed down from one generation to the next. It takes a change of heart, healing and faith to break this cycle so that a "Whole and Healthy" baton is passed instead.

"Witchcraft" - I could only find 2 cross references to this. Deuteronomy 18:10 and Galatians 5:20, which are pretty clear that practicing witchcraft and casting spells are "acts of a sinful nature." And that anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord. This covers sorcery, interpreting omens, casting spells and mediums or spiritists. One reason why I have never gone to a card reader or a psychic.

That's all my brain can take tonight.

kelly · Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2002 8:06 pm Post subject:

OK, this is a heavy topic, but one that should definately be discussed. The issue of curses and what not is much too often looked over. It is an issue all Christains should be educated in. I intend on getting deep into this, but not tonight. I have numerous notes, sermons, and teachings on it and am going to pray on it and re-fresh before I post here. This is a very serious topic, and a very real one.

Let me just clarify, curses is not simply the stereo-typical witchcraft type thing, although that is an area of it. You can speak a curse over yourself, or someone else in a way that allows the enemy to put his foot in the door. The battle between good and evil is one that does run on laws. If you break those laws, you give the enemy legal rights to attack you, or someone else. There are so many ways to open doorways to curses, and you are hardly aware of doing it. The sins of your forfathers could have opened doorways that you are still suffering the consequences from. We are redeemed by the blood of Jesus, but we still need to get educated, get armed and legally, spiritually, close those doors, break those curses. The Bible tells us how.

Has anybody ever had thier palms or tarot cards read? Has anybody ever prayed to a saint (Catholicism), or anybody's parents, grandparents, ever done so? Anybody have sexual relations with somebody other than your spouse before marraige? These are all just a few examples of how doorways to the enemy, curses, can occur. I think we all have been subject to these sins at some time in our life, which means we all need to know what we are dealing with and how to come against it.

I intend on posting much more tomorrow after prayer and organization of what info. I have collected together (all biblically based). Please check it out. It make cause breakthroughs in your walk, in your life, in your healing, in your prayers!

I look forward to sharing this with you, I know it has made a huge difference in our lives! :inlove:

Davep · Veteran Joined: 02 Apr 2002 Posts: 463

Kelly

This discussion won't be any easy walk in the park. There is plenty of ignorance on both sides of the fence on this topic. Good and Bad doctrine comes up over the years. I agree the topics relating to the enemy satan are few and often avoided. People need to get right with Jesus before they can even think of preparing for satan's offensive.

But just as people create good sounding doctrine, there is lots and lots of bad doctrine which masquerades, as sound biblical teaching, which goes unchecked and unchallenged because people don't want to deal with the negative, dark issues surrounding satan and his methods.

But you need to know what satan can and cannot do. We should not give satan the appearance of having more powers than he actually has.

Remember in the garden of Eden there were two trees, the Tree of Life and the Tree of of Good and Evil. Those trees still exist today. Adam and Evil weren't ready to handle all of this knowledge and neither are we. satan used this tactic with Adam and Eve, what makes you think he gave up on it?

kelly · Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2002 10:01 pm Post subject:

GIC · Full Member Joined: 02 Mar 2001 Posts: 102 Location: IL.

I think I will step in here and tell you that according to the last study I did, there are 7 ministries of the Holy Spirit. Indwelling is one, restraining power is another. He will not let Satan be unleashed. Which is kind of creepy considering that the world seems so bad, how much worse is it going to get? It is my opinion from reading the bible, that we give Satan the power. Be careful not to give him too much. This kind of topic is easy for young believers to misinterprete.

SAM · Veteran Joined: 03 Mar 2001 Posts: 2041 Location: Chicago

After reading through all of this, Kelly, it seems that there is more power being given to Satan than he deserves. Through acknowledging it as curses, we have given him that credit rather than acknowleging and owning up to our own sins.

We alllow him access to our lives by our actions, deeds and words. There is always a window of opportunity. Being built up in the Lord through his Word alone as well as prayer will make him walk away from us. At times I have to say it can also make him more persistent.

There are times in my life where I have felt Satan's presence very near. By simply telling him his presence is not welcome in the name of my Lord Jesus Christ, he has left. Yes, he only needs a very small window of opportunity, so I do not dwell on him or think of him often, even though I am very aware of how he works.

Also, I have to go back to asking, why would be be praying for someone else's past sins? Especially if they are no longer a part of this world?

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